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Re: Ping Bill

paradis70...@gmail.com (Remy McSwain) — Sat, 13 Mar 2010 23:28:57 UT

So, I apologize if I've misunderstood your position, but maybe you
can just answer a simple question for me in very succinct terms so
that I'll get it.
It's been my perception that you consider the times of a few decades
ago, let's say the 50s and 60s, and possibly the 70s, as a time when
the values, and morals, and character of that society in this

Re: Ping Bill

surly_curmudg...@earthlink.net (Bill in Co) — Sat, 13 Mar 2010 01:25:39 UT

I've done this below, and throughout our debates, point by point, but you
haven't (as of yet) specifically addressed, or even acknowledged, ANY of
these points.
I've added "Point still unaddressed..." to some of the most salient points.
And it is a bit of hyperbole. So OK, I'm replying to myself. :-)

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mshal_...@hotmail.com (mshal) — Sat, 13 Mar 2010 01:18:09 UT

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Re: Ping Bill

paradis70...@gmail.com (Remy McSwain) — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 23:55:47 UT

That's exactly correct.
Well, I guess we've debated this as far as we can. I only have to
go back forty to fifty years to see that we basically lived in a
society which was dominated by moderate to well educated white males
to the detriment of almost everyone else, and where the environment
was their personal trash dump, and where we were one misperception

Re: Ping Bill

surly_curmudg...@earthlink.net (Bill in Co) — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 20:06:07 UT

This last war is still costing us dearly. I'm not sure how long it will
take for us to get out of this recession. In fact, this latest thing was
about as close to the Depression as you could get in recent times. Big
accomplishment there!
"Almost complete suppresion of women"? How far back are you going?

Re: Ping Bill

paradis70...@gmail.com (Remy McSwain) — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 12:48:32 UT

Then please list the losses that are equivalent to the gains made in
terms of world wars, depressions, lynching and other atrocities of
blacks, the almost complete suppression of women to the home, the
relegation of workplace safety to an after thought, and the almost
complete disregard fort the environment. Note that I'm not asking

Re: Advice About Home Care for Mom

surly_curmudg...@earthlink.net (Bill in Co) — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 04:30:30 UT

I didn't mean materialistic rewards, silly. :-)
Dismissed you? Geeesh.
Which is still ... sad...
Great Expectations, dashed again. And maybe there still are some
reminisces, drifting through the ether, up there in the heath.... Cathy,
is that you?

Re: Ping Bill

surly_curmudg...@earthlink.net (Bill in Co) — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 04:22:43 UT

In retrospect, I would say a more accurate analysis would be that *some*
things are getting better, and *some* things are going worse. I guess I
can't say that we are generally getting "better" or "worse" with any degree
of certainty then, in retrospect, because the gains have come with some
significant losses.

Re: the good student

surly_curmudg...@earthlink.net (Bill in Co) — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 03:57:16 UT

This is an interesting perspective. For me, I would have assumed just the
opposite is more prevalent; i.e, that women tend to look at things more
globally (and have long memories :-).
Good you put that in here, lest DA (Doug A.) come back with his "there are
no statistically significant differences between the sexes" thing, once

Re: Advice About Home Care for Mom

phelbo...@gmail.com (phelbooth) — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 00:23:46 UT

On Mar 9, 8:32 pm, "Bill in Co" <surly_curmudg...@earthlink.ne t>
wrote:
I think it depends on individuals. For me, it's about the journey--
thinkin this is my only time and space...
I'm not sure about "the rewards" tho--I've never expected any rewards
for my journeys. They just are. And actually, all in all, they make me

Re: the good student

paradis70...@gmail.com (Remy McSwain) — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 23:19:07 UT

I'm not really sure what the question here might be, but I'll
venture a response anyway.
I think it's possible that men tend to adhere more closely to a
sense of logic than do women. That's not to say that men are more
logical as though women have an inferior sense of logic. I think
men and women are probably equally logical. I just think men don't

Re: the good student

phelbo...@gmail.com (phelbooth) — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 22:34:53 UT

That is good. For many of us teacher out there, we are held so
responsible for the little things, and lose sight of the forest b/c of
the trees. I'm glad she can see the forest. And in teachers' defense,
I'd say much of this is mandated at state or federal level. Many
teachers have to mark every little item to be held "accountable" to

Re: Ping Bill

paradis70...@gmail.com (Remy McSwain) — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:31:12 UT

I'm not glossing over anything. To say that one thing isn't as bad
as the other isn't to gloss over the former.
I'm not suggesting that should be the bar by which we judge
acceptable behavior. I'm rejecting your notion that we're getting
worse, not better. There is a significant difference between the

Re: the good student

lilliputianbizz...@gmail.com (Vickie) — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 06:29:40 UT

On Mar 10, 7:30 pm, "Bill in Co" <surly_curmudg...@earthlink.ne t>
wrote:
Doing better as in well enough to push my buttons and get herself in
trouble.
So it seems.
Yeah well, I don't know. Once again I have let things build to
boiling point instead of working out some things along the way. I
just wish he made it easier for me to try and do just that. And now I

Re: What a mess

surly_curmudg...@earthlink.net (Bill in Co) — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 03:38:14 UT

Or they may "understand it" but simply put their own desires first, out of
pure selfishness. (IOW, I doubt if they really are so "clueless", per se).
But that lack of respect ... just reveals selfishness and lack of character.
Of course, in this day and age..., well, nevermind, I guess I don't need to