In 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2004 and 2005, I agreed with the BCS determination of the MNC. However, I did so grudgingly in 1999, 2000 and 2001 when the BCS screwed up the choice of the #2 team for the "title" game.
Interesting years? In 1998, Sagarin chose Ohio State as his #1 (they were my No. 2). In 2002, Dunkel, Matthews and Sagarin chose USC as their #1 (they were my No. 4).
The years I chose a different champion than the BCS did were 2003, 2006 and 2007. In the first of those years (2003), the AP, Eck, Matthews and the NY Times also picked USC -- so I certainly wasn't alone. But it surprises me so many of the other selectors chose LSU: they had a worse loss, a worse bowl win and lesser results against common opponents. I see this as the distinct beginning of the "SEC bias" mentality that is now dominating the college football scene, for better or for worse.
However, it is also interesting to note that USC was the unanimous champion in 2004 over Auburn, for at least two of the same reasons noted above.
In 2006, I stood alone, of course, in selecting Boise State. The BCS had a clusterfuck to separate for the #2 title slot, and Florida got the opportunity to take down a flawed Ohio State squad when four other teams probably could have done the same. Why choose Florida over those four other teams? Boise State may be my most radical McMNC call of the whole analysis, but oh well. They went undefeated, they beat a BCS big boy in the bowl game, and they deserved it in my mind.
Finally, 2007 was a disgrace to the entire college football scene. In choosing West Virginia over USC and LSU, I am bucking conventional wisdom, for sure. But I really couldn't understand why LSU was chosen as #2 over Kansas, USC and WVU in the first place, although I am sure the preseason expectations had a lot to do with it. LSU shot itself in the foot twice against unranked teams (while KU only lost to #4) but survived simply because people believed the SEC was "so good" -- although a closer look at SEC OOC schedules really shows most SEC teams to be around .500 against quality competition. I know this is a point of contention on RSFC, and it will be for a long time. But potential and expectation didn't sway my viewpoints, as it did so many "voters" in the laughable BCS polls -- which we have seen to be easily manipulated on multiple occasions by coaches' pleas, conference commissioners and bowl representatives.
Either way, I stood alone again in 2007. So I stood alone twice in the ten years of the BCS. Overall, I picked eight champions that no one else did in 73 seasons -- agreeing with "experts" 89% of the time. Most of my McMNCs went to worthy teams in the estimation of others, while 11% of my picks strayed from mainstream thought/analysis.
That's not a high percentage, and it's one I can live with and sleep soundly upon, for we all know RSFCkers are smr4t3r than the mediots, anyway.
One idea that was floated on RSFC was that of "chance" opening the door for both Florida in 2006 and LSU in 2007. Say USC hadn't lost to UCLA at the end of 2006, for example. Do the one-loss Trojans beat Ohio State in the Fiesta Bowl? Probably. Does Florida win their bowl game? Probably. So why would anyone pick USC over Florida for the AP title if Florida was so good? This is the issue with the BCS is most years: it is a flawed system that leaves the selection of the top two teams to chance and the easily-manipulated polls. It's a flawed system, and therefore, no BCS champion can really be considered "real" or "absolute" or "concrete". Likewise, if West Virginia beats Pitt in 2007, LSU can't sniff the BCS title game. But wouldn't they still be considered "better" than either Ohio State or the Mountaineers, if what the mediots and/or RSFCkers would have us believe?
Problems left, problems right. The BCS sucks.
Anyway, that's that. The 2008 season starts tomorrow, and it will bring more controversy and confusion to our fingertips, no doubt. I hope you have enjoyed the experience this off-season, and thanks to interesting information I came across in these studies, I have already decided what to do for Offseason 2009 ...
But you'll have to wait until the second week of January to find out what it is.
McMisanthrope wrote: > In the first of those years (2003), the AP, Eck, > Matthews and the NY Times also picked USC -- so I certainly wasn't > alone. But it surprises me so many of the other selectors chose LSU: > they had a worse loss, a worse bowl win and lesser results against > common opponents.
actually, they had s slightly worse loss, a much better bowl win, and the same results against common opponents.
> I see this as the distinct beginning of the "SEC > bias" mentality that is now dominating the college football scene, for > better or for worse.
the SEC has easily the best record in BCS bowls the past 10 years. Maybe that's why ... ?
> Finally, 2007 was a disgrace to the entire college football scene. In > choosing West Virginia over USC and LSU, I am bucking conventional > wisdom, for sure. But I really couldn't understand why LSU was chosen > as #2 over Kansas, USC and WVU in the first place,
perhaps because they played a much tougher schedule?
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On Aug 28, 10:28 am, stephenj <s...@cox.com> wrote:
> McMisanthrope wrote: > > In the first of those years (2003), the AP, Eck, > > Matthews and the NY Times also picked USC -- so I certainly wasn't > > alone. But it surprises me so many of the other selectors chose LSU: > > they had a worse loss, a worse bowl win and lesser results against > > common opponents.
> actually, they had s slightly worse loss, a much better bowl win, and > the same results against common opponents.
Jaros, like mianderson, you really are flat-out lying here to try to make a point.
How can you even suggest that #2 LSU's bowl win over #3 Oklahoma was better than #1 USC's bowl win over #4 Michigan? Michigan never had a chance to win that Rose Bowl, while Oklahoma had the ball with a chance to beat LSU at the end of the Sugar Bowl.
Tonawanda Kardex wrote: > On Aug 28, 10:28 am, stephenj <s...@cox.com> wrote: >> McMisanthrope wrote: >>> In the first of those years (2003), the AP, Eck, >>> Matthews and the NY Times also picked USC -- so I certainly wasn't >>> alone. But it surprises me so many of the other selectors chose LSU: >>> they had a worse loss, a worse bowl win and lesser results against >>> common opponents. >> actually, they had s slightly worse loss, a much better bowl win, and >> the same results against common opponents.
> Jaros, like mianderson, you really are flat-out lying here to try to > make a point.
> How can you even suggest that #2 LSU's bowl win over #3 Oklahoma was > better than #1 USC's bowl win over #4 Michigan?
wtf? OK had fewer losses than UM, finished 3rd in the AP compared to 6th for UM.
only the most profoundly demented USC fan would compare the win over hapless, nothing Michigan to LSU's win over a team touted for most of the year as one of the best ever.
you truly are dumb, ya know?
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> Tonawanda Kardex wrote: >> On Aug 28, 10:28 am, stephenj <s...@cox.com> wrote: >>> McMisanthrope wrote: >>>> In the first of those years (2003), the AP, Eck, >>>> Matthews and the NY Times also picked USC -- so I certainly wasn't >>>> alone. But it surprises me so many of the other selectors chose LSU: >>>> they had a worse loss, a worse bowl win and lesser results against >>>> common opponents. >>> actually, they had s slightly worse loss, a much better bowl win, and >>> the same results against common opponents.
>> Jaros, like mianderson, you really are flat-out lying here to try to >> make a point.
>> How can you even suggest that #2 LSU's bowl win over #3 Oklahoma was >> better than #1 USC's bowl win over #4 Michigan?
> wtf? OK had fewer losses than UM, finished 3rd in the AP compared to 6th > for UM.
> only the most profoundly demented USC fan would compare the win over > hapless, nothing Michigan to LSU's win over a team touted for most of > the year as one of the best ever.
> you truly are dumb, ya know?
C'mon, you said that last bit whilst gazing in the mirror, right?
In crazed world, the difference between #3 and #6 is the difference between being "hapless, nothing" and being "one of the best ever!!!!"
Ok, I added the !!!!. Oklahoma wasn't "touted as... one of the best ever", though. Dewd, when yer argument is just a couple of lines, and you flat out make one of those lines up, and everyone knows you made it up... well, not very convincing.
On Aug 28, 1:30 pm, stephenj <s...@cox.com> wrote:
> Tonawanda Kardex wrote:
> > How can you even suggest that #2 LSU's bowl win over #3 Oklahoma was > > better than #1 USC's bowl win over #4 Michigan?
> wtf? OK had fewer losses than UM, finished 3rd in the AP compared to 6th > for UM.
> only the most profoundly demented USC fan would compare the win over > hapless, nothing Michigan to LSU's win over a team touted for most of > the year as one of the best ever.
I'm pretty sure that after OU lost to K-State 35-7 in the Big 12 championship game, they were no longer being touted as one of the best ever. And Oklahoma's bowl presence this decade has been about as good as Ohio State's (who, incidentally beat that K-State team in their bowl game after losing to hapless Michigan).
> Tonawanda Kardex wrote: > > On Aug 28, 10:28 am, stephenj <s...@cox.com> wrote: > >> McMisanthrope wrote: > >>> In the first of those years (2003), the AP, Eck, > >>> Matthews and the NY Times also picked USC -- so I certainly wasn't > >>> alone. But it surprises me so many of the other selectors chose LSU: > >>> they had a worse loss, a worse bowl win and lesser results against > >>> common opponents. > >> actually, they had s slightly worse loss, a much better bowl win, and > >> the same results against common opponents.
> > Jaros, like mianderson, you really are flat-out lying here to try to > > make a point.
> > How can you even suggest that #2 LSU's bowl win over #3 Oklahoma was > > better than #1 USC's bowl win over #4 Michigan?
> wtf? OK had fewer losses than UM, finished 3rd in the AP compared to 6th > for UM.
> only the most profoundly demented USC fan would compare the win over > hapless, nothing Michigan to LSU's win over a team touted for most of > the year as one of the best ever. > you truly are dumb, ya know?
R-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-ght.
Clearly, other people in this thread think you're ridiculous, too, so I'm good with whatever you want to imagine about me.
James Gibson wrote: > On Aug 28, 1:30 pm, stephenj <s...@cox.com> wrote: >> Tonawanda Kardex wrote:
>>> How can you even suggest that #2 LSU's bowl win over #3 Oklahoma was >>> better than #1 USC's bowl win over #4 Michigan? >> wtf? OK had fewer losses than UM, finished 3rd in the AP compared to 6th >> for UM.
>> only the most profoundly demented USC fan would compare the win over >> hapless, nothing Michigan to LSU's win over a team touted for most of >> the year as one of the best ever.
> I'm pretty sure that after OU lost to K-State 35-7 in the Big 12 > championship game, they were no longer being touted as one of the best > ever.
ya think?
yet in the end, OK had 1 fewer loss than michigan, 2 more wins than michigan, and finished well above michigan in both polls.
and at the time, the stoops version of OK had a very good bowl record. they had won the 2000 orange bowl, 2001 cotton bowl, and 2002 rose bowl. LSU beat them and they haven't won a big bowl since.
Ok was clearly and obviously a tougher bowl opponent than Michigan.
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> James Gibson wrote: > > On Aug 28, 1:30 pm, stephenj <s...@cox.com> wrote: > >> Tonawanda Kardex wrote:
> >>> How can you even suggest that #2 LSU's bowl win over #3 Oklahoma was > >>> better than #1 USC's bowl win over #4 Michigan? > >> wtf? OK had fewer losses than UM, finished 3rd in the AP compared to 6th > >> for UM.
> >> only the most profoundly demented USC fan would compare the win over > >> hapless, nothing Michigan to LSU's win over a team touted for most of > >> the year as one of the best ever.
> > I'm pretty sure that after OU lost to K-State 35-7 in the Big 12 > > championship game, they were no longer being touted as one of the best > > ever.
> ya think?
> yet in the end, OK had 1 fewer loss than michigan, 2 more wins than > michigan, and finished well above michigan in both polls.
> and at the time, the stoops version of OK had a very good bowl record. > they had won the 2000 orange bowl, 2001 cotton bowl, and 2002 rose bowl. > LSU beat them and they haven't won a big bowl since.
> Ok was clearly and obviously a tougher bowl opponent than Michigan.
> James Gibson wrote: >> On Aug 28, 1:30 pm, stephenj <s...@cox.com> wrote: >>> Tonawanda Kardex wrote:
>>>> How can you even suggest that #2 LSU's bowl win over #3 Oklahoma was >>>> better than #1 USC's bowl win over #4 Michigan? >>> wtf? OK had fewer losses than UM, finished 3rd in the AP compared to 6th >>> for UM.
>>> only the most profoundly demented USC fan would compare the win over >>> hapless, nothing Michigan to LSU's win over a team touted for most of >>> the year as one of the best ever.
>> I'm pretty sure that after OU lost to K-State 35-7 in the Big 12 >> championship game, they were no longer being touted as one of the best >> ever.
> ya think?
> yet in the end, OK had 1 fewer loss than michigan, 2 more wins than > michigan, and finished well above michigan in both polls.
#3 to #6... "well above", indeed. What was Oklahoma ranked before they lost to LSU in the bowl?
Cuz, I think you might have some very subtle begging the question reasoning here. Basically, yer claiming USC is worse than LSU because they beat UM more convincingly than LSU beat Oklahoma.