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Re: Evidence persuades many to reject the molecules to man version

coryalbre...@hotmail.com (Cory Albrecht) — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:05:34 UT

Devils Advocaat wrote, on 2008-11-19 17:04:
Yes, their headquarter sis in Gnome, AK. Betcha Sarah Palin doesn't know
that. :-)

Re: SETI and the Detection of ID

w...@vsswireless.net (wf3h) — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:02:44 UT

the argument failed 2000 years ago, 1000 years ago, 300 years ago, etc
etc.etc
but sean thinks something that has a 100% failure rate is good enough
to try again. wonder if he recommends voodoo for his patients. after
all, that has a 100% failure rate, too.

Re: creationist funds bigotry

chris.linthomp...@gmail.com (chris thompson) — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:02:54 UT

snip
And blacks can have their own schools and restrooms and water
fountains right?
People like you set society back hundreds of years.
Chris

Re: A Few Questions For Ray Martinez

coryalbre...@hotmail.com (Cory Albrecht) — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:12:35 UT

Ray Martinez wrote, on 2008-11-19 19:44:
If it is a fact, Ray, then how is it that these multiple (there is more
than one kind of wolf, plus coyotes) immutable species can interbreed so
darn readily?

Re: SETI and the Detection of ID

w...@vsswireless.net (wf3h) — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:00:41 UT

mostly because your arguments have the plasticity of play doh. is it
the ORIGIN of DNA or the CHANGES in DNA with time that you are saying
are ID? you keep vacillating between these 2.
you say that scientists think the ORIGIN of life could be ET and you
cite francis crick. unfortunately, crick accepts evolution by natural

Re: creationist funds bigotry

n...@all.org (Shearwater) — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:59:05 UT

______________________________ _______________
Nevertheless, I have to point out once again that Prop 8 imposes a
religious viewpoint, a specifically religious viewpoint demonstrated
by Madman's own words and the words of many of its supporters,
upon all the citizens of the U.S.
As has been noted earlier in this thread civil unions or partnerships,

Re: SETI and the Detection of ID

sean...@gmail.com (Seanpit) — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:56:30 UT

Which SETI scientists would declare as evidence of ETI. After all,
the very name SETI gives it away - the "search for extraterrestrial
intelligence". Obviously, they are in fact searching for ETI.
You really don't think SETI scientists are searching for evidence of
non-human intelligent production? Really?

Re: SETI and the Detection of ID

sean...@gmail.com (Seanpit) — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:48:19 UT

If it only existed when produced by known human-level technology it
could not be used to discover unknown intelligences. That's the whole
point.
The real basis for SETI here is that the feature in question is not
known to be produced by any mechanism of non-intelligent nature and
yet it is produced by at least human-level intelligence and

Re: SETI and the Detection of ID

sean...@gmail.com (Seanpit) — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:51:16 UT

That's right . . .
Nope. Certain forms of DNA only show up in what people do and never
show up via the mechanism of any known non-intelligent force of nature
- AFAWCT.
Ok, have any examples?
Sean Pitman
[link]

Re: SETI and the Detection of ID

removethisprefixmatts2nos...@ix.netcom.com (Matt Silberstein) — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:40:34 UT

On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:15:57 -0800 (PST), in talk.origins , Seanpit
<sean...@gmail.com> in
<80068a5e-b2d9-41aa-b4bf-baa13 6588...@b38g2000prf.googlegrou ps.com>
wrote:
Can you give an example of some non-human intelligence we have
identified?

Re: Still a Palin in the ass

removethisprefixmatts2nos...@ix.netcom.com (Matt Silberstein) — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:42:53 UT

On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 07:55:42 -0600, in talk.origins , Klaus Hellnick
<khellSPAMn...@sbcglobal.net> in
[snip]
Tobacco?
[snip]

Re: SETI and the Detection of ID

sean...@gmail.com (Seanpit) — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:41:01 UT

Do you seriously question if this is Shostak's true position? Really
now. If you actually know him personally - just ask him yourself.
Sean Pitman
[link]

Re: SETI and the Detection of ID

sean...@gmail.com (Seanpit) — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:39:12 UT

You can say the same thing in many different ways. You've just
written a longer version of what I just said.
This is where your argument breaks down. SETI is searching for this
very thing - evidence of an intelligent agent were none is known to
exist - AFAWCT. If this same feature that is known to be produced by

Re: creationist funds bigotry

ur...@mails.com (Uriel) — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:33:38 UT

wf3h wrote:
Religion does not want veto rights over civil matters retard.
These are still ONE man and ONE woman.AND weas why it was finally allowed.
Religion does not have to allow government OR a special groups access to
their traditions.It is called the constitution.
Nor does religion have to change said traditions to accomidate a law or a

Re: SETI and the Detection of ID

w...@vsswireless.net (wf3h) — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:35:21 UT

gee. you're not too good at tracking your own arguments are you?
first you claim that it's the DEVELOPMENT of DNA that is critical and
its origin is irrelevant. unfortunately, the scientists you cite have
exactly the reverse argument...that DNA has an ET origin but develops
naturally within the context of evolution.